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12:21 pm
November 12, 2010


rpulkrabek

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The announcement was here:

 

http://cstart.org/forum/projec…..hat/#p3651

 

It was basically me just trying to get things going. I figure if we start to have them, people will show up :)

 

I'm sorry if this is too short notice for you. If you can't make this one, then hopefully the next one. Or, perhaps, we could even schedule a meeting just for ODE.

12:35 pm
November 12, 2010


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So, IRC channel midnight tonight in EST timezone.  I think I can make it and will do my best to be there.  

Founder Mach 30, Inc. and Friend of CSTART

12:37 pm
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Basie is DrProject built upon Django, and is definitely more mature. Both were started as student projects for use academically. I joined the Basic IRC channel during one of their meetings and spoke with one of the developers. What they're doing now is breaking Basie down into a collection of Pinax modules. This means that development of the unified Basie will come to a halt. We could either fork the unified version or use it as a collection of Pinax modules. Open Atrium is some good software, and I'm certainly not opposed to it. I am weary of having too many prerequistites, as it makes it more difficult to release as a standalone web app. This is a concern for Basie with Django, Open Atrium with Drupal, and Redmine with Rails, each with their own pre-req modules.

I'll try to see if I can get Basie and possibly the other two installed in time for the meeting. It's at 5AM UTC tomorrow, or midnight tonight if you're in Ohio right now. Hope to see you there.

 

2:05 pm
November 12, 2010


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Thanks for the additional info on Basie and the link to Pinax.  The latter looks pretty interesting in the docs.  If it is as good as it sounds, the newer Basie stuff might turn out to be a very nice foundation.  I'll have to see if I can get a local Pinax install up to compare to some of the other options.

Regarding prerequisites, I imagine there is not escaping that entirely.  The trick will probably be to choose the sweet spot between features and burden of perquisites, bearing in mind the need to have some developers to work on things, too.  :)

I have the IRC meeting on my calendar, so I should be there.  Talk to everyone tonight.

Founder Mach 30, Inc. and Friend of CSTART

4:57 pm
November 12, 2010


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I'll have the chat opened to see what's going on. I'm busier than ever so I can't really commit to anything.

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5:39 pm
November 12, 2010


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Good to see that it looks like this upcoming meeting will have a few people at it and be productive.  Unfortunately I'll be in the air at the time so won't be able to participate, but if the minutes get put up anywhere I'll be sure to have a look at them when I get a chance.  Hope you guys can get some good decisions made!

Main CLLARE workgroups: Mission Planning, Navigation and Guidance. I do maths, physics, C, Python and Java.

7:36 pm
November 14, 2010


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If people would prefer a better name, I would then like to make a proposal:

CoLab

This is a mixture of collaboration and laboratory. Also, it seems that every name we have begins with a "C". I'm not saying we should, but it almost seems we are following what Gnome does with "G" and KDE does with "K"/p>

I've noticed other things that have this name, such as colabscience.com. I don't know how much it matters if we use the same name or not.

1:11 pm
November 15, 2010


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Just to update, I said I'd try to get at least Basie installed by now in order to test some things out. It is installed, but I had a problem with web server config so it's not yet remotely accessable. I'll try to get it up later tonight after class, and if not, tomorrow before noon.

On the aspect of the name, I do like the "C" thing, which I didn't notice until you mentioned it. CoLab is actually the name of my local coworking space. There's also colabscience as you mentioned, as well as NASA CoLab, both of which are involved virtual open source science and space. Only because of these similiarities, I'd be inclined to be against the CoLab name. I would be interested in keeping with the "C" theme though.

6:33 am
December 7, 2010


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Post edited 6:34 am – December 7, 2010 by rpulkrabek


Has anyone seen this?

http://openspacemovement.org/

I stumbled upon it while browsing at reddit. I haven't looked deep into it yet; I have only read this intro.

Hello reddit. I noticed my little project was mentioned in [1] this thread a few months ago. I figure now's a good time to share.

We're starting a space program. And by "we", I mean "all of you, and everybody else who was disappointed that the year 2001 was nothing like the movie"/p>

First a minor clarification. While there are already several "open source" style programs going on, and several private aerospace companies in business, we play a different role. The "Open Space Movement" is not so much an organization by itself, but rather a service to all existing organizations. Our primary goal is to raise public interest through direct participation, and help organize the efforts of the many behind a single front.

So what the hell does that all mean?

For starters, the OSM site will host a collaborative development environment, and vendor catalog. This is something akin to [2] sourceforge for aerospace engineering. This will likely invite a slew of downright dumb ideas – but that's okay! It gets people interested, and it gets people learning! Peer review of ideas helps to promote projects (as approved by a qualified project maintainer) through a development pipeline. Projects past the "draft" stage may become eligible for funding – and this could be anything as simple as paying a drafter to turn a sketch into an autocad drawing, or renting facilities to perform actual testing.

Secondly, we plan to host a wiki of space science and engineering, to help educate the public. Wiki contributers can also help streamline third-party information into a format more easily followed by a wider audience. I have spoken with one of the fellows behind NASA's knowledge base project, and he's says they'd be happy to share their information with us, so that we can help disseminate that to the public, and our members.

The OSM does NOT charge anything for membership

Third, the OSM's social networking aspect includes a messaging system that uses a "skill profile" taxonomy system. If you write a request tagged with [electrical engineering] – it's going to come to the attention of every single site member (or group) with [electrical engineering] tagged in their skill profile. For people asking questions, this basically guarantees that they'll get immediate responses from all users with the educational background to effectively answer it. For people with knowledge in a particular field – this also guarantees that you're going to see a filtered list of questions that you're suited to answer. This is fairly in-grained into the site, and we think it's going to be pretty damn awesome.

Before I get too long winded, Ill wrap this up with a few points.

The public has more brainpower, disposable income, and motivation than any government agency, or private company could bring to bear. The OSM's SOLE PURPOSE is to help gather public interest, provide tools, education, and organization, and help direct a public space venture.

we currently spend more on cell phones in one year, than the Apollo program spent in one decade

The prospect of colonization is an endeavor so monumental, that no single government, or private company could hope to foot the bill. The only entity large enough to attempt this is the public itself. After all, we already bought the Internet.

The OSM is the space program of the Internet, and the space program of all countries. We do not care where we came from; only where we are going. (PS. If you know several languages, the OSM is building a pool of translators)

Not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist to contribute to the OSM. That would be like saying every computer programmer must build their own operating system. Everyone has some area of expertise that will be useful here. Colonization involves a lot more disciplines than simply aeronautical engineering.

I would postulate that there exists an optimal course of action to make space travel affordable to the greatest number of people in the shortest amount of time. The OSM is essentially a human computer to determine this course, and enact it.

The OSM is planning to open for business in another month, pending completion of our new site. In the meantime, we've started to raise money for a grant towards [3] Copenhagen Suborbitals. The OSM plans to provide more grants in the future to existing space organizations. Copenhagen Suborbitals would be our first grant, which we feel is a great way to kick off OSM operations. More info [4] here, and [5] here.

Reddit, thank you for listening.

10:27 am
December 7, 2010


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Oh hey there. 

 

(repost of earlier reply)

Yes, the OSM site is finally nearing release candidate status. I was
waiting around a bit to have something really useful to display before I
started announcing things to the world, but a little publicity doesn't
hurt. heh

The project development system we have planned is pretty spergtastic. Take this
for example. (actually, that's just the generic project-development
pipeline. We plan to adapt that sort of procedure to other industry
standard models as well. It's selectable per project)

Now to be clear, the OSM isn't trying to compete with Mach 30,
CSTART, OpenLuna, or others. It's designed as a platform for all other
organizations to use. Sort or like the OSM as a hot-air balloon
analogy. We can help keep everybody together, and moving in the same
direction, while providing much greater visibility to the general
public. And I'm sure that if someone drew this balloon analogy, the
burners at the bottom would be labeled "your valued contributions", heh.

If I might ask, would anyone from CSTART be interested in helping us
with our taxonomy trees? This is a fairly integral part of the whole
site, yet it's a rather large and tedious task to populate (and define
structures) for all of the various taxonomies we have within the site.

Take this for example. That's what an individual user's "skill profile" might look like.

Anyways – I'll post more in a bit – coffee time first :D

(/repost)

 

If I might ask, does anyone here have some experience with Atlassian's Confluence / Jira software suites?  Confluence bills itself as an enterprise wiki, and is currently being used for NASA's knowledge base project.  Having talked with the head of that project, they reccommended Confluence for us, as a means of directly importing data from NASA's knowledgebase when it goes live.  However, getting that setup (and learning how to use it) has been on the back burner while we've been working over all of the other site issues. 

 

 

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