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8:26 am December 11, 2009
| Luke Maurits
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When this project first started, I thought we were pretty crazy and unique. I thought nobody else had dared to dream of something quite as ambitious as what we were talking about. I thought that CSTART was shaping up to be a world first, the only game in town.
In some ways, perhaps we still are – we haven't yet found any other amateur space exploration group which is (i) open source and (ii) a general organisation which could run many projects over its lifetime, rather than just dedicated to a single project. We also seem to have done a much better job of establishing a sense of spirit/identity than anybody else – the combination of our Mission Statement, Social Contract and Design Philosophy makes us a much more clearly defined group than anybody else. This is something to be proud of!
At the same time, it is clear that we are very much not alone. There are other groups out there who are interested in using the open source approach to do everything from launch rockets, launch satellites, put humans into space and, yes, even put humans on the moon. Not only that, but there are "meta groups" like the One Flag in Space people who want to make sure all these little groups do what they do for the good of everyone. I have been very pleasantly surprised to realise that there is so much of this sort of thinking going on, all around the world.
Since work on our website and Wiki is progressing well and we are soon going to want to make contact with many of these groups, perhaps now would be a good time to start thinking about the particulars of a "Friends of CSTART" program or the like.
This would be nothing fancy, basically a list of other groups somewhere prominent on our page or Wiki who have agreed to become an official "friend of CSTART". We would offer our friendship to any group or project who are dedicated to doing open source space work. Becoming a friend of CSTART wouldn't be any kind of binding agreement or obligation, just a friendly gesture saying "we believe in doing the same kinds of things in the same kinds of ways. We are very interested in learning what we can from you and very happy to teach you what we can. We'll put a shiny link to you on our webpage and you can put a shiny link to us on your webpage". As part of this program we would draft a standard "offer of friendship letter", something where we could just fill in a few blanks and send it away to these groups, telling them who we are, saying that we think they're cool and we'd love to be pals, if they would like this too, reply to this email and we'll make it happen". We could use the draft email to Copenhagen Suborbitals as a starting point. In addition to us actively offering friendship to other groups, we could have a form somewhere where other groups who met certain criteria could offer us their friendship.
Do people think this is a good idea, and do they think we are in a good position to start preparing for this now?
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12:57 pm December 11, 2009
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Definitely a good idea and as we are soon to be ready for interaction with other organizations and (hopefully) a greater number of individuals, we should have something in place. "Friends of" is often used for people who donate money. Perhaps what you said earlier "Kindred Spirits" would be more appropriate?
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11:12 pm December 13, 2009
| Luke Maurits
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Post edited 4:31 am – December 16, 2009 by Luke Maurits
Well, since we have survived an unexpected visit from the OLF folks with seemingly quite positive results, I see no reason to stop now. I think we should contact the folks at Copenhagen Suborbitals and the Portland State Astronautics Society as soon as possible.
Here is a draft Friends of CSTART Wiki page. What do people think? Note that there is no link to this page from anywhere else in the Wiki yet, so we can change the name "Friends of" to something else as suggested if there seems to be general agreement that something else would be best (for my part, I'm quite happy with "friends of" since we can simply use "donors" to refer to people who donate money, and "friends of CSTART" is easier to say than "kindred spirits of CSTART".
I'll also start working on a standard "offer of friendship" email form – it will probably borrow fairly heavily from the draft we already have for Copenhagen Suborbitals elsewhere.
EDIT: Here is a draft offer of friendship template. It is for the most part quite generic but it features a section where we can throw in group-specific comments without interrupting the flow too much. Feedback on everything is welcome, post comments here or modify the Wiki if you are fairly certain that your change is necessary or will be uncontroversial. Also feel free to draft paragraphs to slip into the designated section for Copenhagen Suborbitals and PSAS.
Ideally I think we should aim send these emails in the next few days.
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10:22 pm December 15, 2009
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Where is the draft? No link in your EDIT. :-(
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10:31 pm December 15, 2009
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Post edited 4:32 am – December 16, 2009 by Luke Maurits
Oh, sorry! I don't know how that happened. I'll fix it now. EDIT: Done!
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1:52 am December 18, 2009
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Am I to assume everybody is happy with the current state of affairs on this front? Can I send emails to Copenhagen etc. tomorrow, say, using the current template without people getting upset?
Or do we want to work on something like Rocket's proposal in this post before making contact?
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6:27 am December 18, 2009
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I am quite happy with what ever is decided. I am now thinking the more users we have the better off we are.
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6:30 am December 18, 2009
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I say lets touch base with them.
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7:14 am December 18, 2009
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I think we're ready to make contact with these groups.
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8:00 am December 18, 2009
| Luke Maurits
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Post edited 2:10 pm – December 18, 2009 by Luke Maurits
Alright!
I have sent emails to Copenhagen Suborbitals, Portland State Aerospace Society and Open Luna Foundation using the template Offer of Friendship form linked to from this thread and, in the case of CS and PSAS, the paragraphs specific to them drafted in the threads where they were introduced. Since the email to OLF was largely just a formality since we've already made contact, I didn't include a paragraph specific to them.
I will let everybody know as soon as each group gets back to us.
EDIT: We should probably contact Team FredNet too – I'll do that tomorrow, though, as I don't have a specific paragraph drafted for them and don't have time to write one right now.
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