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Fibreglass nosecone experience at PSAS

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7:23 am
July 8, 2010


Luke Maurits

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Nathan Bergey from PSAS has kindly agreed to share some of PSAS's experience with molding fibreglass nosecones with us, so we can assess the suitability of this technique for OHKLA and also consider the possibility of having PSAS help with this part of the project.  He asked if there was somewhere particular in the forums it would be best for him to post this stuff, so I'm creating this thread for that purpose.  Stay tuned!

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12:36 am
July 19, 2010


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The process is explained with photos on our wiki here:

http://psas.pdx.edu/LV2cNosecone/

 

The real problem, which takes all the work, is making the mold and plugs for the fiberglass. For a large rocket the nosecone is going to be over a meter long. Finding someone with a CNC lathe that large is going to be hard. If you do find one, good news! All you have to do is make CAD model of the inside and outside plugs and then stick some large stable material in the lathe and wait! We used laminated hardwood, though that also took a bunch of time just to make the wooden blanks.

 

If you can't get it CNC lathed directly you can do what we did and use a "passive CNC" technique where you CNC machine a tool guide to be used on a manual lathe.  This is quite labor intensive, but very straightforward.

 

Once you have an inside and outside plug you make a mold using the outside plug. Be sure to properly choose a mold release. Also to avoid too much of a seem we embedded aluminum strips at the top/bottom mold interface. Once the mold is set you can prep it and start to wrap the inner plug with glass. We interwove the glass with an aluminum ring at the bottom to have something to attach the nose onto the rocket with. This was a bit tricky as you want to have the ring aligned precisely. Patience. 

 

With the glass in place you can push everything into the mold and pull the resin through under vacuum.  Once set you should be able to take apart the mold and pull the inner plug out and have a hollow, light, strong, one piece, fiberglass nosecone.

 

The whole process took our mechanical guys (two or three of them) about 4 months to complete (working at night or on the weekend). Most of the time is in making the mold assembly and and prepping for the final glassing.

 

This is exactly the kind of thing that would be great to have as a donation from a big manufacturing/machining company as a sponsorship deal. We wish we could have all that time back to do more fun things.

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July 20, 2010


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Thanks a lot for posting this, Nathan.  It was a great insight into how fibreglassing up a nose actually happens (I have no fibreglass experience at all).  It seems like a lot more work than I thought, but it's good to know it's still within the realm of feasibility for a dedicated amateur group.

How do these nose cones hold up to the rigours of flight (and in particular landing).  Have you used the same cone on multiple successive flights before, or are they a one-use-only deal?

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July 20, 2010


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They are quite strong. We have flown the same one twice. But better than that, we dropped this one out of an airplane at 3000 feet along with the parachute system to test it before flight, only the first time the parachutes didn't open. So it survived a 3000 foot fall, and then a successful drop test (with parachute) and then two flights. We are planning to fly it again too. :)

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Wow.  That has impressed me. :)

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Luke Maurits said:

Thanks a lot for posting this, Nathan.  It was a great insight into how fibreglassing up a nose actually happens (I have no fibreglass experience at all).  It seems like a lot more work than I thought, but it's good to know it's still within the realm of feasibility for a dedicated amateur group.

 


it is a lot of work but defiantly within the realm of possibility for any one really.

from my experience (designed/built a 4m wing span fiberglass and carbon fiber UAV for my thesis) the majority of the time is in the molds/plugs and the final result depends on the quality of the surface finnish of these plugs. 

an electronics friend built our own 3 axis CNC machine in a weekend using a hand held dremel for the cutting, and was controlled by free software that took a IGES cad file. it would just handle a simple parabolic nosecone but it would defiantly need some cleaning up by hand. 

a professional could knock up a nose cone in no time at all but if not you can do it yourself quite easily. if i were doing this i would make half molds out of CNC'd foam (EPU is light and easy to work with and wont dissolve with the solvnet in the fiberglass resin) use molds so you get a nice surface finish on the outside of the cone.

cover the foam in a gel coat (wont bond with the fiberglass and can get a very fine surface finnish) 

lay either the fiberglass or the carbon fiber

pour in your resin 

vacuum bag until resin is set

pull apart and admire.

 

of cause this is very simplified but once the plugs and molds are made the fiberglassing is very quick. 

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