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8:29 am
July 7, 2010


Luke M

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As I discussed recently in another thread, I've started to think we would do well to try to quickly get together a "first attempt" or "starting point" overall design for OHKLA, rather than taking our time trying to make each decision one at a time, and making the optimal choice first time, each time.  With a first design in place we can use iterative refinement and modelling to improve the design and fix any problems.  This will be relatively easier than doing each decision individually "in a vacuum" because all the core features will be specified.  If we want to try changing one feature, we'll have the knowledge we need to do before-and-after analyses of that change to see if it's an overall improvement.

If other people think this is a good idea, I'd like to propose the following design as a good starting point for this process.  It is based on everything we've learned in the past few weeks from our more-unified-than-usual research direction.

Ohkla proposal 01mouse

Here's a quick run-down
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  • The nose cone has the Von Karman shape, which is a special case of the Haack series shape.  This shape has the lowest drag for transonic flight, which was the main reason I chose it.  However, it isn't over-optimised for transonic flight, the VK nose shape also performs very well at subsonic and supersonic speeds.  I think that over the course of the entire flight this shape will result in the lowest nose-related drag overall, which is important.
  • The nose cone is made from fibreglass which is applied over a lathed wooden plug.  Fibreglass was chosen because it's lightweight and has excellent thermal properties (doesn't melt, highly insulating). The guys at PSAS have some experience doing this (see here, for example) and could possibly help with the actual fabrication.  I have spoken to Natronics briefly about this via email and he has said they've done this several times before – it's a lot of work but a relatively cheap process (about US$50 per nose cone).  I'm going to ask him more about this and hopefully get some discussion happening on the forums.
  • The core avionics (i.e. the system which logs all the sensor data to a storage medium and broadcasts GPS coordinates after landing) are fitted into a tube which is inserted into a hollow area in the nose cone.  The rationale for this is that the avionics unit needs good GPS reception and good coordinate broadcasting abilities, so sticking it in a part of the rocket which is made of RF-transparent materials makes sense.  If it went inside the aluminium aerostructure, reception might suffer.  This approach also reduces the amount of dead mass present in the wooden plug of the nose cone.
  • The payload compartment, which holds arbitrary payload within the size/mass limit, is located immediately adjacent to the core avionics module so that, at least in future versions, electronics inside the payload can share a power supply with the core avionics and also receive data from the core avionics (so that payloads that need, say, real time GPS data, don't need to have a second redundant GPS receiver in them).  Possibly in a more advanced version we could even have payloads be able to broadcast data during the flight using the core avionics' system for broadcasting GPS coordinates (which isn't needed during the flight).  Project Daedalus has a system similar to this.
  • The recovery system is a dual deployment system, as I recently described in this thread.
  • The aerostructure is just thin walled aluminium tubing.  Chosen because it should be strong enough to support all the stuff mounted to it but is also fairly light.
  • The oxidiser tank is attached to the aerostructure via skirts at either end, so that it can have a diameter equal to the inner diameter of the aerostructure, wasting no space.
  • The combustion chamber is attached to the aerostructure via two centering rings welded to it, so that we have more control over its diameter.
  • The fins have the standard trapezoidal shape, because these are fairly easy to fabricate and Sampo has suggested there is little compelling reason to consider other shapes.
  • The fins are made of aluminium.  Chosen because it should be strong enough to survive shear forces and avoid fin flutter but is also fairly light.
  • The fins are attached to the aerostructure using bolts, not to the combustion chamber, because penetration of pressure vessels should be as limited as possible for safety and reliability.
  • The fins are canted slightly to induce a rolling motion for stability (not pictured).
  • The exhaust nozzle is inside the aerostructure so that a rough landing is less likely to damage it than if the nozzle were exposed.

This design is certainly not optimal, but based on all we have learned so far and on my reading up on lots of university and/or amateur sounding rockets, it's certainly not ridiculous either.  No part of its design is radically different from things people in the know have done before.  I think this provides an appropriate starting point for a program of more detailed analysis and incremental improvement.  However, if anybody wants to comment on anything about the overall form, please feel very, very free.

Some things that I would like to see more discussion of are:

  • I've drawn the exhaust nozzle as having a countered outer-surface, like many nozzles do, rather than having a cylindrical outer surface like many other nozzles do and like I discussed briefly in this thread.  This isn't because I think this is the better choice, it's because I haven't come to a strong opinion on this yet.
  • I've said nothing about the system to be used to separate the sections of the rocket to facilitate parachute deployment because I haven't done much reading on this aspect of things yet (see this thread for a starting point).  At this stage it's probably okay to treat this process and its hardware as black boxes, but we should get on it.
  • The recovery system (stuff inbetween the parachutes) is responsible for activating whatever the separation systems are.  This means it needs to "know" when the rocket is at its apogee (to deploy the drogue) and once it descends below a certain altitude (to deploy the main).  The core avionics unit knows this stuff, but it's relatively far away the recovery system.  After the first separation event any connection between the two will be broken.  This more or less means the recovery system electronics need to be largely independent, i.e. have their own accelerometers and barometers.  This is kind of a waste and stops me from feeling super happy about the whole thing.  The obvious solution is to move the core avionics down into the recovery section between the parachutes so that we can use the same sensors for data logging and parachute deployment.  However, the problem with this is, as discussed earlier, our radio gear is now in the middle of a long aluminium tube which will act as a partial Faraday cage.  It seems like there are drawbacks to both approaches.  I would love to find an elegant solution to this problem.

Once we have decided we are happy with this overall form, our first step should be to complete the mass analysis we are already working on, using the overall form of our initial design, because once that is done we will be able to put approximate physical dimensions on this thing.  Once that is done we can begin doing things like:

  • Model the rocket in OpenRocket and make sure the rocket is aerodynamically stable and the expected apogee altitude is over 100 km.
  • Optimise the fin design based on the above model.
  • Model the rocket in ProEngineer or the like and make sure the selected materials can stand up to the required stresses.
  • Do a fin flap analysis to make sure this won't be a problem.
  • Optimise materials based on the above two analyses (can we replace aluminium in the aerostructure or fins with carbon fibre?)

Finally, once we are happy that everything is looking pretty good, we can design scaled down versions and actually get to work on them.

What do people think of this approach (and starting design)?

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7:18 pm
July 7, 2010


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The recovery system (stuff inbetween the parachutes) is responsible for
activating whatever the separation systems are.  This means it needs to
"know" when the rocket is at its apogee (to deploy the drogue) and once
it descends below a certain altitude (to deploy the main).  The core
avionics unit knows this stuff, but it's relatively far away the
recovery system.  After the first separation event any connection
between the two will be broken.  This more or less means the recovery
system electronics need to be largely independent, i.e. have their own
accelerometers and barometers.  This is kind of a waste and stops me
from feeling super happy about the whole thing.  The obvious solution
is to move the core avionics down into the recovery section between the
parachutes so that we can use the same sensors for data logging and
parachute deployment.  However, the problem with this is, as discussed
earlier, our radio gear is now in the middle of a long aluminium tube
which will act as a partial Faraday cage.  It seems like there are
drawbacks to both approaches.  I would love to find an elegant solution to this problem.

I beleive we can solve the problem with a few wires run down the side of the payload compartment and the drogue chute cable. That allows us to reuse the avionics hardware, without having to move it. We would probably want a failsafe device in the recovery system module which will activate the main chute automaticially if the wire is broken, but that should be a relatively simple item to set up, just a voltage monitor and a timer circuit or some such.

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July 8, 2010


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joe.haydu said:

I beleive we can solve the problem with a few wires run down the side of the payload compartment and the drogue chute cable. That allows us to reuse the avionics hardware, without having to move it. We would probably want a failsafe device in the recovery system module which will activate the main chute automaticially if the wire is broken, but that should be a relatively simple item to set up, just a voltage monitor and a timer circuit or some such.


 

That's one possibility.  I am a little reluctant about running wires along the chute leads, it sounds fiddly and likely to fail, but I could be wrong, perhaps it's routine.

Another thing that I thought of today is that maybe we could use aluminium tubing for the aerostructure of the propulsion section (which needs to be able to hold up the weight of the engine and also to hold the engine in place while burning) and then use fibreglass or something for the uppper sections (which don't have to hold as much weight or endure as much stress).  That way the recovery section would be RF-transparent and we could just put the avionics in there.  This does mean that further down the road we couldn't interface payload with the avionics, but that's really more of a luxury than a necessity.

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7:37 am
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Post edited 7:41 am – July 8, 2010 by Luke Maurits


Yet another possibility would be to rearrange the recovery system a little.  Page 7 of this paper shows a system in which the drogue and main parachutes are in opposite positions to my diagram.  At first I thought this was a mistake as I didn't see how it could work, but looking more closely at where all the shock-cords are anchored, I'm kind of convinced that it would work.  With this arrangement, wires directly from the avionics module to the recovery system would not be severed by the first chute deployment event, so would stay intact as long as needed.  This means we wouldn't have to attach wires to parachute leads at all, which is probably a good thing.  This parachute arrangement seems fairly rare, however.  I don't know if it has disadvantages that we should consider.

EDIT: Another nice thing about this arrangement is that the points at which the aerostructure separates are perfectly aligned with the logical sections, i.e. everything related to propulsion and nothing else is in one physically distinct section of the aerostructure, everything related to recovery and nothing else is in another, and the payload and avionics and nothing else are in the last one.  This feels neater than the plan above where the main parachute is stowed inside the same part of the structure which houses the engine.

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6:16 am
July 13, 2010


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Sorry that I have not yet provided any input to this thread, yet. For the most part, I am in agreement with you. I believe this to be the way to move forward. I just don't agree with this to be the "final" rocket, yet, as I am sure you do too. I think it might be good to start designing OHKLA this way with some CAD tools. Along the way, we should be making final decisions, such as materials to be used. I see room for creativity also. For example, why not use the same bolts that hold the fins to the aerostructure as the ones that connect the combustion chamber and the nozzle? Or, why is there only a cylindrical hole drilled out from the nozzle for the avionics, and not a cone shape, offset from the outside perimeter? Let's not make a decision now, but let's work on them in separate threads.

In short, this is a great starting point to move forward.

5:22 am
July 23, 2010


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I've started to do some preliminary design work. These are only concepts at the moment, and in no way are meant to be final decisions. I am just investigating to see what could work and what couldn't.

Below you can see the fins, nozzle, combustion chamber, oxidizer valve, oxidizer tank and aerostructure. The aerostructure is a transparent purple, so that it's easier to see what lies inside.

OHKLA concept 1 2010 7 23mouse

 

Below is a cross-section of how the parts would interact.

OHKLA concept 2 2010 7 23mouse

 

Below is a close up of the connections between the fins, combustion chamber, nozzle, fuel grain and fuel grain stopper. The fuel grain stopper is placed between the nozzle and fuel grain as a way to prevent the fuel grain from sliding out. Bolts go from the outside of the aerostructure, through the oxidizer tank, a ring of the fin assembly (shown better pictures further below) and engaged to the nozzle. I just realized the bolts go through the nozzle. This shouldn't be like this. It will be fixed in the future.

OHKLA concept 3 2010 7 23mouse

 

Below is an exploded view of the rocket. Here you can see that there are rings in the fin assembly. This is just a concept, and I'm not sure if this is ideal.

OHKLA concept 4 2010 7 23mouse

 

Here you can see that the front ring is positioned over the combustion chamber flange. The nozzle will slide through the rings and up against the fuel grain stopper. The bolts will then go through the nozzle flange.

OHKLA concept 5 2010 7 23mouse

OHKLA concept 6 2010 7 23mouse

 

Below is a close up of how the aerostructure will interact. There are slits through the tail end of the aerostructure to allow the fins to slide into place. The bolts go through the aerostructure to then hold everything into place.

OHKLA concept 7 2010 7 23mouse

One other comment I would like to make is that I don't think we should use these types of bolts. Instead, I am thinking we should use bolts more like this, although, not necessarily this size. This would allow for less drag.

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July 23, 2010


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These images look really, really cool. :)

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July 24, 2010


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Post edited 3:09 am – July 25, 2010 by Luke Maurits


I've had an idea on how we can possibly cut down on complexity in the OHKLA rocket.  The idea is basically to change the parachute deployment system, from one where the parachutes deploy vertically (i.e. parallel to the length of the rocket), which facilitates separating the rocket body into sections to one where the parachutes deploy horizontally (i.e. perpendicular to the length of the rocket).  You can see some example images and videos of how this kind of thing works at Copenhagen Suborbitals on this page (it's quite far down the page – Ctrl-F for "PARACHUTE DEPLOYMENT TESTING" and scroll down from there).  This system also seems to be very popular in the world of water rockets.

The advantage of this approach is that there is no separation of the rocket body at all.  This means that we don't have to design separable couplers for the segments, eliminating a fairly difficult engineering task, and it will also probably make the rocket body stronger overall by allowing a much more solid coupling.  Furthermore, there is no problem with the part of the rocket which houses the avionics ever being separated from the part which houses the parachute deployment controls, so we do not need to replicate altitude-sensing components for the sake of timing the parachute releases, and we can keep the avionics near the top of the rocket for the sake of communication issues.  Of course, we do have to design a sideways deployment system, but I feel like this should be considerably simpler than designing the separable section couplings.

I can't really think of any downsides to this.  I imagine the only reason it isn't more commonly used in the model rocketry world is that most model rockets are far too thin to fit in a good horizontal deployment system.  Hopefully we can manage this, though.

EDIT: Here's a large LOX/ethanol liquid rocket which uses horizontal parachute deployment – Ctrl-F for "12 December 2004" to find the relevant part of the page.  Of horizontal deployment, they said "This proved to be much simpler than the traditional mode in which the parachute is located at the forward end of the vehicle and its deployment also involves that of the payload fairing", which is a good sign.

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2:30 am
July 25, 2010


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The separation system you proposed, Luke, could very well work for our full scale model. What would then happen with a 1/4 scale model that we would use for testing purposes?

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July 25, 2010


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Ooh, good question, I hadn't thought of that.  I guess it depends on exactly how we end up designing the horizontal deployment system and whether or not we can scale it down.  If we can't, perhaps we'll just have to use a different recovery system for our smaller scale test launches (so that we're really only testing propulsion and avionics), and do testing of the full-sized recovery system some other way (e.g. using our high altitude balloon project).

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5:21 am
July 27, 2010


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Post edited 5:23 am – July 27, 2010 by rpulkrabek


One thing I didn't like about the last pictures I posted was the bolts used. The head of the bolt stuck out too much, and my intuition was saying that this would cause more drag that wanted. I think it's better that we utilize this type of screw:

Socket cap screw 2010 27 7 4

The aeroshell then needs to have a counter sunk hole. As you can see in the picture below, the rocket looks much more streamlined.

Socket cap screw 2010 27 7 1mouse

Here is a close up of the nozzle section:

Socket cap screw 2010 27 7 2mouse

Finally, here is the cross section of where the components are assembled. Hopefully this allows you to see how each component is constrained and the role of the socket cap screw:

Socket cap screw 2010 27 7 3mouse

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July 27, 2010


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What is the next step we should take to move forward? I can begin modelling this with a desired diameter. As of now, it is just arbitrary. Shall we use a 30cm outer diameter of the aeroshell? This is a bit arbitrary, but it's also based on our earlier analysis of the masses.

Once the modelling is done, I can assign materials and then determine the complete mass as well as the center of gravity. This would then be useful, since OR only understands a rocket made entirely from one material (am I right?). 

I would also like to see the effects of heat from the combustion transferred to the aeroshell. This way we would be able to rule out a plastic for it's material or not.

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July 27, 2010


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I definitely agree on using socket cap screws or something similar to minimise drag-causing protrusions from the top of the areoshell.  How does one go about creating the counter-sunk holes?  Are there drill-bits that can achieve this?

Also, with regards to attaching things to the ends of the combustion chamber (like the injector manifold and the nozzle), I suspect it will be necessary to use O-rings or something like them due to the relatively high pressures of hot gasses inside them.  So when designing the manner in which all these things fit together (like in your final graphic above) we should probably take this into account.

With regards to moving forward, I think now is perhaps actually a good time to move toward a natural stopping point – we should make what decisions we want to/can from the basis of our modelling so far (like the requirements listed in this post) and write some reports and officiate some of the decisions we have made (e.g. use of 6061 Al T6).  This lets people following the blog etc. know what we've been doing and also puts all of this forum-based word somewhere more accessible and permanent.  Then we can move forward, making sure we keep everything consistent with the decisions/requirements in these reports.

That said, if we can agree on requirements quickly, I am happy to start work on the reports and let you go ahead with modelling stuff like heat transfer (maybe also, if you can, thermal expansion of the chamber?  We haven't spoken about this before, but I guess it's kind of important)?  I'm really starting to get out of my depth engineering-wise anyway, and want to start moving on to more organisational stuff, so doing the reports is a step in that direction.

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July 27, 2010


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Luke Maurits said:

How does one go about creating the counter-sunk holes?  Are there drill-bits that can achieve this?


 

There are counter sunk cutters, that are similar to drill bits. I think it would be easy enough to use in something as simple as a drill press.

 

Luke Maurits said:

Also, with regards to attaching things to the ends of the combustion chamber (like the injector manifold and the nozzle), I suspect it will be necessary to use O-rings or something like them due to the relatively high pressures of hot gasses inside them. So when designing the manner in which all these things fit together (like in your final graphic above) we should probably take this into account.


 

I think some sort of gasket is needed for the injector manifold. I am still not entirely certain how this should be designed, but I am confident we can figure it out with a little bit of research. As for on the nozzle end, I am not sure that it's needed. Somebody, please, correct me if I am wrong, but, I don't think we need to worry about any fluid leaking from the nozzle. Is there another reason a gasket would be used on the nozzle? Do other rockets use gaskets near the nozzle?

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September 22, 2010


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Post edited 6:32 am – September 22, 2010 by rpulkrabek


A small update to the design. I changed the cap design for the oxidizer tank and the combustion chamber. These are now round, instead of flat. My intuition is telling me that this will be stronger. I would like to make an actual analysis to make sure.

I am hesitant with the design of the combustion chamber. I am thinking it should be more like that of the oxidizer tank, such that it utilizes "skirts" instead of "flanges". This then would make the overall length shorter. We should, though, investigate if that is what we want, or, would we prefer a longer rocket to ensure stability.
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October 9, 2010


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Another update with my playing around of the OHKLA design. I've been thinking that the combustion chamber would be more efficient with an injector plate. I still haven't done any investigation to how the valves (or igniter) will work. It will most probably be some sort of servo valve. For now, this is drawn as a sort of "black box" shown in grey. So, my thought is that the oxidizer, being self pressurizing, will flow through the valves and into the injector plate. The injector plate will disperse the fluid and cause turbulence for a more efficient combustion. There is a top half, modeled in red; a bottom half, modeled in yellow; and a gasket, modeled in black. I am also thinking there should be a gasket around the perimiter of the bottom half.

I am thinking that the bottom half of the injector plate will be titanium, for it's high melting temperature of over 1500 deg C. The top half could be something like aluminium.

I have, for now, designed the ports in the injector plate to be at an angle and rotated around the center. These are straight holes, just at an angle, so they can still be easily manufactured. In the near future, I will perform some CFD analysis to determine the best angles to provide the most turbulence in the combustion chamber.

I am not sure if this is the best way to create the assembly. For example, the top half could easily be integrated to the combustion chamber itself. My only worry then is how would we physically put this together. It would be too difficult. The challenge is to design this to reduce the most weight while optimizing performance all the while considering how to manufacture and physically assemble it.

8:02 am
December 9, 2010


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As I said I would, I have done some CFD analysis with the injector plate (using the same design premise as the post above). I have done about 12 tests, all with slightly different configurations. My goal was to find the design that provided the most turbulence and even flow, and to have the N20 fill the chamber as early as possible. I am happy with the results, but more thought is required to determine the best design.

Take a look at this PDF file that shows the results. On each page is a screenshot of 4 angles of the CFD results, a screenshot of the CAD model used, and the parameters used to drive the CAD model. I am particularly interested with the design on page 12. This is the same as the design on page 11, with an added piece. It's not yet optimum due to the fluid not flowing down the center, but it may be in the right direction.

Let me know what your thoughts are. My intent is to hear a fresh perspective of this design, as I may have been stuck down a single design path. What direction should be taken with this injector plate?

2:28 am
December 10, 2010


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Very impressive stuff. The results of that CFD look excellent, with the exception of the center.

In regards to the material, I doubt Titanium will be necessary if we don't have to use it elsewhere. With recently expanded pressurised gas flowing over it quickly, it ought to be the best cooled portion of the engine if my intuition is corect.

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December 10, 2010


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Post edited 7:14 am – December 10, 2010 by Rocket-To-The-Moon


Very, very impressive work on the CFD. You are really doing some serious engineering work on this thing now. I can't wait to see how it progresses.

Is there any concern that the oxidizer will impinge directly on the grain toward the top and cause it to erode away rapidly?

 

brmj said:

In regards to the material, I doubt Titanium will be necessary if we don't have to use it elsewhere. With recently expanded pressurised gas flowing over it quickly, it ought to be the best cooled portion of the engine if my intuition is correct.


I was thinking the same thing. A good aluminum alloy might be enough for this part. Steel at the worst.

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Have we been able to calculate the temperature that we'd be experiencing at the injector plate? I believe that and pressure will be the two factors that will determine what materials we can and can't use. Aluminum is light and strong at lower temperatures. However, its yield strength drops pretty drastically above 200 degrees Celsius.

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