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10:59 am
December 9, 2009


Luke Maurits

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in light of brmj's post about SparkFun electronics' awesome $100 give away, I've started looking through their <= $100 products to see if there is anything we can use for OHKLA.

This device looks incredibly handy.  It includes a GSM celluar communication engine and a GPS receiver: "Call up the module, issue the GPS query command, and you'll have NMEA data! If this unit is within range of a cellular tower, you'll know where it is within 9 meters anywhere on the surface of the earth".  This might be an excellent way to find out where our rocket lands so we can recover the data.  It would require no communications infrastructure on our part, as long as someone at the launch site has a cell phone on them.

Unfortunately, it costs more than $100, so we couldn't get it free with their promotion, however this device is the exact same cellular communications engine without the GPS built in for $99.95, which we could get, and they have a wide range of GPS devices for less than $100.  I wonder how hard it would be to use two separate devices to reproduce the function of the first?  We would need to ask somebody with some EE knowledge.  This approach would take up a little more space and mass than the one integrated item, but it would save us some money.  Not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but we're not exactly rich at the moment.

The only possible issues I can forsee is that we may not be able to attach an antenna to the rocket in a position that ensures good signal and aerodynamics and reentry survivability, and also that if we are launching in a remote desert location for safety there may not be good cellular coverage – I don't know what coverage is like in the US.

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7:30 am
December 10, 2009


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That thing does sound almost perfect, however I don't know if there will be cellular coverage where it will land.

As for antenna positioning, maybe the antenna could be exposed after the rocket separates when the parachute deploys. 

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8:16 pm
December 11, 2009


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Rocket-To-The-Moon said:

That thing does sound almost perfect, however I don't know if there will be cellular coverage where it will land.


Perhaps we could go with an off the shelf APRS solution, then?

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March 9, 2010


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Perhaps I might suggest TeleMetruim?  It's an open source 'flight computer' for small rockets. Not designed to do too much, but it has a altitude logger and most importantly a GPS and a radio that will transmit it's coordinates after landing.  You should be able to buy one, or you could make it yourself. Full hardware plans, a bill of materails and the software is available.

http://www.altusmetrum.org/TeleMetrum/

It has antenna hookups, but we (PSAS) have flown them with the default attached antenna inside the rocket (not a solid metal rocket, however) and still been able to get a signal.

I would expect that the places where you could launch very high altitude rockets will not have cell coverage, as a rule. I would not suggest going down that path.

11:46 pm
March 11, 2010


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Cool! That looks like a very nice piece of hardware, and it would be one more part we don't have to design ourselves.

You say you guys have flown them? I take it they work well in practice, then?

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5:26 pm
March 18, 2010


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Yes, they work great.  We lost the signal while it was around apogee ( with a hand held antenna on the ground, probably pointed the wrong way), but aquired it again well before landing. We saw where our rocket landed but even if we hadn't we would have simply looked up it's final location from the radio beacon. Plus it records GPS and accelerometer data for the whole flight. Though the GPS data will not work during the boost because of the GPS chipset being used cannot compensate for high g's.

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