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5:13 pm
May 20, 2010


Luke Maurits

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I think the main driving forced behind dropping Selene was ITAR, which is, unfortunately, a pretty strong and hard to get around force.

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Assuming ITAR applies to Selene, it would also apply to OHKLA, the CLLARE spacecraft, and anything else that propels or that is designed to go into space. Without taking a firm stand that everything being done is based on scientific information in the public domain, and thus exempt, CSTART can not exist.

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May 20, 2010


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It's not exactly that clear cut.  Remember that the definition of "rocket" in ITAR is completely unclarified.  If it turns out they use the same definition used by that other law (Something Missile Something Annex?) then Selene is covered but OHKLA is not.  And "anything that is designed to go into space" is a gross exaggeration.  Also, the exemption applies to scientific information in the public domain, not to things based on scientific information in the public domain.  Once we get to a certain level of detail, that exemption becomes invalid.   That said, there were other exemptions I think we could qualify for, but already the details have started to fade from my mind.

Bloody ITAR!

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ITAR specifies "rockets" and "launch vehicles", of which OHKLA is both. It also includes all "spacecraft" and even ground stations used to communicate with spacecraft.

The Missile Technology Control Regime Annex is an international treaty defined completely separately. While its restrictions are covered by the USML and ITAR, the USML and ITAR restrictions are broader.

Technically you're right about the public domain information, but it is open to some interpretation.

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