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6:17 pm
November 30, 2009


Rocket-To-The-Moon

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Hear me out on this one, I know the idea sounds strange.

We will need to either store or vent any urine that the astronaut produces during the flight. My proposal is to store the urine in a cavity between the heat shield and the bottom of the capsule's structure. During reentry the heat shield will, by design, not transfer much heat to the capsule structure but some heat transfer is bound to happen. When heat does begin to transfer the water will absorb the energy and it will be vented off as steam. 

The cavity would need to have some pressure in it prior to reentry so that it doesn't boil off in the vacuum.

I can see that ice formation will be an issue which could result in the blockage of the drain or it could force the heat shield away from the capsule. A solution might be to keep the heat shield pointed toward the Sun but I doubt that is possible for the entire duration of the mission.

Crazy idea? Probably yes.

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7:24 pm
November 30, 2009


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The simple solution to the problems that I outlined is to store the fluid inside until the temperature in the cavity is >0ºC. Once it is above freezing (during the reentry) then the liquid is allowed to drain into the cavity where it will be heated and eventually turned into steam.

That solves the icing problem. Is it still a stupid idea?

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7:43 pm
November 30, 2009


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If we're trying to reduce heat transfer, there is no better insulator than hard vacuum. Normally, that's not a very easy thing to come by, but space happens to be full of it. If transfer of heat to the capsule structure is the problem, we could perhaps have an air tight, structurally strong cavity between the heat shield and the main part of the capsule and vent it to space, then close off the opening with a valve before re-entry.

If heat dissipation, rather than transfer, is the concern, then your method might work reasonably well, though any cryogenic propellants would probably work considerably better and allowing left over compressed life support gasses to expand and escape could also work. In any case, a good ablative heat sheild ought to take care of most of the heat.

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November 30, 2009


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Heat dissipation is what I had in mind. The idea is to help get rid of heat that is conducted through the heat shield so that it isn't absorbed by the capsule. A vacuum would prevent it from reaching the vehicle (except for IR) but it would also allow the heat shield to build heat faster.

In all reality this probably isn't an issue.

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